That is basically a nerf to social interaction. Social interaction is what keeps people in the game. Its the reason GSF and TEST have become major powers. CCP has also stated that players who find corporations (a social group) they like are far more likely to stay with the game than those that do not find corporations they like. You never want to nerf friends and making friends should almost always be a benefit. The "blob" problem really isn't a problem it can occur in any of the sec statuses and is just one of the top 10 reasons used to absolve personal responsibility when losing a fight.

This is a 16, I've already responded to it.


Define 'too'? From google, "To a higher degree than is desirable, permissible, or possible; excessively: "he was driving too fast".".


As an example take mining, it pays about the same in High and Low and Null but in High it's much easier and less risky, this makes it "too rewarding" for the amount of risk you are taking. If you double the risk you should double the reward, if you want a risk reward balance.


Yes I agree Null industry needs fixing, this post is about the possibility that High Sec will need nerfing aswell.

I see a fundamental flaw in this argument's structure. One unit of kernite does not equal one unit of mercoxit no more than it equals one unit of veldspar because ores are different sizes. So while one unit of veldspar is worth a LOT less than one unit of arkonor, it also takes up significantly less space and is mined in significantly larger amounts. Thus, the basic unit of mining is the cubic meter, or m3.

I ran your numbers again using the current market prices for various ores in Amarr and while your statement is still accurate it's nowhere near as impressive as you'd think: One m3 of kernite is worth 230 ISK while one m3 of mercoxit (significantly rarer and harder to find) is worth 371 ISK. The 'traditional' bread and butter ore of null-sec, arkonor, is only 277 ISK per m3 - Not very much more than kernite considering the added difficulties involved with getting and transporting it to market. For additional comparison, one m3 of veldspar, which is found absolutely everywhere in huge amounts, is worth 177 ISK and one m3 of scordite, almost as common, is worth 223.

It's not a whine, it's your future and I haven't talked about any ISK faucet so I don't know where you got that notion.

Edit: also as I have said in previous posts and nobody has had the guts to reply it, bringing in line hi sec with its risk means either removing hi sec or nerf hi sec by 1000%+. Because there's NO WAY to nerf a "safe" place enough to make an unsafe people more enticing.
You earn 5M per hour in hi sec doing L4 missions (a 400% nerf)? Still people won't find doing null sec content "worth it because in hi sec it's less ISK but safe".

It's not even WoW. These days every MMO adapted to the new restriction people have with their RL. I can name you a number of MMOs where doing stuff is within the time restrictions adults with responsibilities have.
Only EvE is lagging behind - and it's an huge mistake - hi sec and WHs are the only functioning and modern parts of the game that are easily accessible to a modern (crappy) life playerbase. Low is already higher commitment (unless you just want to run exploration / FW farm), null sec - depending on whom you play with - may be as bad as a flashback to Everquest I.

Excuse me, but like always, real life and real life occupations have jack poo to do with any online game and that includes EVE.

Don't even think about coming with anything that even remotely suggests that EVE is "unfair" because some people may or may not have a real life.

It would have to stop being a sandbox. As long as it is, them more manhours in the form of extra people or extra hours online will always give benefits over those who can't log for whatever reason. The nature of PvP is to try to be the best by whatever means necessary. If that means putting more hours in it, then people will do it. If it means recruiting more people, then people will do it. You can't have a sandbox PvP game without letting the guy with more friends or more time on his hands gain an advantage. It's not a sandbox if you change that.

It would have to stop being a sandbox. As long as it is, them more manhours in the form of extra people or extra hours online will always give benefits over those who can't log for whatever reason. The nature of PvP is to try to be the best by whatever means necessary. If that means putting more hours in it, then people will do it. If it means recruiting more people, then people will do it. You can't have a sandbox PvP game without letting the guy with more friends or more time on his hands gain an advantage. It's not a sandbox if you change that.

High sec of course is entirely different. Casuals can be there with no problem at all.

So what is it that you want exactly? In what way do you want EVE to become more casual? And kindly come with a suggestion that does not affect those who happen to put in a lot of time in EVE in any way whatsoever, directly or indirectly, cause if it does then your suggestion fails there and then.

And no, a separate server is not an option.

You can't unless you put limits on what the guy with extra hours can do with those. Well at least for Null. I am not sure how WH works completely so maybe that could be done.

Unless you remove the requirement for people to be online for territory defense to happen, the causals will never be a target audience for SOV warfare. It just does not work. You need people online to form those fleets. The only way a casual can be usefull in SOV warfare is if there are so many of them that you can still always for up. This require massive numbers of player to work. Truly massive.

That would be a radical change. I don't think it would make the game more fun to play.

You can't. The cost and risk of high sec industry are oth so low nothing better can really be made in null. Even if you provided an infinity of production lines with no cost to setup and run it would not be enough. Thats why you basicly have to whack high sec on the head at least a little to make null industry slighly competitive because of the added risk cost.

You can't. The cost and risk of high sec industry are oth so low nothing better can really be made in null. Even if you provided an infinity of production lines with no cost to setup and run it would not be enough. Thats why you basicly have to whack high sec on the head at least a little to make null industry slighly competitive because of the added risk cost.

Would this really be a nerf to high sec? Technically it would be but the end result would be that industrialist only see thier wallet tick for bigger amount of ISK. Bigger red numbers when they pay for the production lines and bigger green numbers when they sell thier wares. Of course the user of such products would have to pay more but that does not really matter as it would affect everyone mostly equally.

You could multiply the current cost of running a production line in high sec tenfold (the hourly cost I mean) and make them free to use in null and that would make null a bit better. The rael thing is it would not stop high sec industry. At worst it would up the price of modules because industrialist would cover thier additionnal cost by setting higher prices. It's not like null could produce enough to flood the market with cheap stuff anyway.

The high sec industrialist would have higher upkeep which would be covered by raising prices on the stuff he produce. Remember null most likely don't want to go full china with lower price anyway because they have to cover different cost like the required hauling of materials and security f the space.

Would this really be a nerf to high sec? Technically it would be but the end result would be that industrialist only see thier wallet tick for bigger amount of ISK. Bigger red numbers when they pay for the production lines and bigger green numbers when they sell thier wares. Of course the user of such products would have to pay more but that does not really matter as it would affect everyone mostly equally.

You don't see an issue with player built structures being worse than NPC given facilities. You could go a couple jumps away from that trade hub and find plenty of open slots, the wonders of highsec.

it seems to me that some people want it all the manufacturing security of Hi Sec and the mineral wealth of Null.

Also you seem to assume that Hi Sec access to factory slots is a given, IGÇÖve setup several POS because its practically impossible to get access to research or factory slots in Hi Sec, also refining, manufacturing and research costs also escalate significantly unless you have faction standings with the station, and who likes to grind?. To be truthful IGÇÖd rather do whatGÇÖs needed at multiple POS or an outpost.

With the effort put into it, the production facility should at least be able to be as efficient as high sec ones.

e: Regarding hilarious and arbitrary sandbox restrictions ("You can only take 5% of space" lol), who here remembers when CCP implemented a limit of five POS per day per system in an attempt to limit things? Yeah that worked out great.

If we can take more than 5% of space and defend it, then there's absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be able to. None, zip, zilch, nope, nuh uh, nada. This isn't the problem of today, the problem of today lies squarely at the hands of the sov system, where actually defending those 5%+ is way too easy. Fix that to make taking a system less of a one week waterfall mechanic with 8 hours of warning prior to its start, and every alliance in nullsec will be forced to decompress to a more manageable size.

Thinking of ridiculous limits like "you can't own more than 5% of nullsec space" is stupid and should be met with a frying pan to the face.

I let the developers plan their game, I guess I am doing something wrong.

Should jump in the forums and create 100000000000000 photocopy cry threads to force them change the game ASAP, of course in my favor!

again, how is that an added risk?

as a red I no longer have to care about defending stations, assets or timers because there's no way i can be kicked out of my space (and i've been kicked from a lot of space) - the risk involved in deploying or taking space is removed.

Better rewards for sovereignty holders can be implemented.

Why shouldn't sov holders be rewarded directly for the improvements they put in a system?

There have been lots of suggestions in this area, most of them impossible or too overpowered if combined with docking denial.

But you CAN'T remove docking denial!

Let's stick to what's tangible and not your imagination:

1) There were 1T damage dealt, thousands ships popped. Edit: that is a big switch from "artisan ganking by individuals" to "scorched earth as permanent profession, aided by coordinated null sec alliance pilots and infinite funding".
2) Ice prices went from 400 to 1600 in few months.
3) CCP's official word about that has been that they don't support ganking (empty ships) for profit. Now go do your work and find the exact reference, I won't bother.

Guess what was the obvious conclusion?

Rentals are around 10 mill a month? Really? I though it would be higher.

Oh shullbit.

It's not nothing to do with your little catchphrase meme, and everything to do with the deliberate impression that's been created.

"Hey, highsec miner carebear pubbie! You are the most hated person in EVE, we want you out. We're ganking you for teh LULZ! But pay us 20m and you can come to our backyard where we promise not to shoot."

And you pretend it's all a rational deliberation based on the actuality of rental agreements and mutual financial benefit?

Either your social skills or BS skills are in need of a serious touchup.

If all sov rules were to dissapear and all of null wat to become like NPC null, you can bet all SOV holder would be angry.

It's obviously because of bots ganking profitable freighter in high sec.

No you haven't. If you had you would have done so by now instead of trying to impress us with talk.
Come back when you have something to show for your boasting.